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Re. "The Veil exploits a handicap that too many people don’t realize they have. It is the weaponization of exactly this belief that “if I was in this position of course there’d be good/unfortunate reasons for it.” No one can coherently say “if I was a junkie murderer who drove away everyone who ever cared about me and delighted in the suffering of others, I’d still be me.” Rawls’s Veil pretends that you could be Case and still be you, and forces you to try to reconcile these."

You're right! I never thought of that!

Though I'm not sure how to apply it to the mentally ill or the very stupid, who together make up a lot of the worst-off in the US today. Either we say the mentally ill and the stupid are less-virtuous and deserve less, or calling this a handicap of the Veil relies on being able to assign blame to people for who they are, in a way that doesn't assign blame for being stupid.

I suspect there is no coherent way of basing reward distribution on how much blame people have for their actions, rather than on how much those actions benefit society.

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"No one can coherently say “if I was a junkie murderer who drove away everyone who ever cared about me and delighted in the suffering of others, I’d still be me.”"

I find a version of this pretty easy, and I don't think it's incoherent thinking on my part. Can't you see versions of yourself that are only slightly different, but end up in a very different place in life, small decisions compounding and compounding until all of the trust has been annealed away and I'm a junkie murderer? True, this particular difference is larger than many I'd do this exercise with, but I'm pretty much always aware of the places in life that led to this version of me in an outsized way for the nudge they are.

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